Destructive Incorporated

so i can lolrofl at it too ahhhhhhh
as soon as i heard the name "BF2142" i was like "FUCK YES!"
then i heard the stories of people that had played and was like "FUCK"

I kinda forgot one, don't drive you jeep in the water, more than 2 feet will make it explode... yes.

there is infantry AA, you have to unlock it.

LMAO !!

Dude this is the best BF:2142 rant out there right now. I totally agree with most everything about the conclusion of "HELLO THIS IS THE FUTURE".

While I still like bullets, yeah they pack just as much punch as BF2 and the ammo amounts are pathetic for the future.

dude it is a game, this isn't a real look into the future.

I have to say, as a former DEVOTED BF1942 fan, the #1 Beef I always had was the borked up server listings - he's totally right about this. I didn't have the HW to "graduate" to Battefield 2, but I'm shocked to hear that this has not been improved. In fact, it sounds like it's gotten worse. Given that this is an interface all players WILL be using at some point (until they use an external program), it seems a little more time, thought, and testing should have gone into the mechanics of this.

That game is pretty cool

I agree for the most part. Especially the Horse Power statement made me laugh because it is so damn true. What the fuck is that all about? Also the whole "bf2142 this is the future" argumentation is so true. Apparently EA/Dice didn't put too much effort into ideas for concepts like weapons, game modes etc, instead they just made bf2 look different. I am pretty disappointed by bf2142. It sure is fun to play but it just isn't what I expected.

And reason #1 is: You're making a classic Mosses mistake... Mosses could have summed up the 10 commandements with 1, but 10 sounds better... that doesn't necissarily mean that it is.

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[Edited due to worst spelling of Moses I have ever seen in my life. -evil]

Not that all of your points are wrong, but how about the gameplay? It has to be balanced and allow for a fight that lasts more than a few seconds. Full-auto missles, powerfull lasers that run forever, no ambushes because of satellite recon, HUDs that show you every target and where to point to hit for sure etc. Would this allow for battles that last more than a few seconds? Where it still requires skill to hit? I am sceptical.

Overall, he's right, it feels like they half-assed skinned BF2... reguardless if you can "do this in the full version" ... the demo is what people are going to look at for being able to get an idea of how the game works overall... and if they feel its slow, shitty, ugly, too primitive, etc... their not exactly gona go out on release day and drop $50 on a title they might or might not enjoy...

the demo also sucks more on titan mode because there arent many ways to get rid of the people who enjoy setting up their overpowered support guns at one end of the tunnel and opening up on the entry way when someone walks though.

i also like that no matter in what sittuation, if your standing still, and firing your support gun (the supposed heavy gun) it gets MORE accurate... even when firing from the hip... wtf

this EPIC fail brought to you by EA and DICE

2142 is an OK game..

it's more of a BF2 MOD.. but since mod's cant be ranked.. its a cash cow.. now think of this

you just spent 1.5 years playing bf2.. and you have all these points, unlocks, badges, medals, etc... so you are gonna throw all that out the window to play bf2 with floating vehicles, less classes, and mechs that dont even act like mechs? i mean come on.. its playable but not $50 playable.

only amazing thing they did with bf2142 is the fact that they have a better graphics engine that doesnt chew the shit out of your system.

any one with a little time and modding knowledge could make this for bf2.

go out there spend your money on this game.. ill be you will be back playing bf2 in a few weeks. i for one am going back to ebgames to give them my preorder box back and get my money back. and use it for something a little more useful.

I won't be buying Battlefield 2142 after reading this.

This really is sounding more and more like just an elaborate MOD of Battlefield 2 rather than a new game.

The lack of technological advancements seems really disappointing; I too would expect there to be a LOT of new, different ways to eliminate people. People at DICE need some more creativity.

Some examples of stuff that might be cool...

* Nanites. Have special nanite "grenades" which when lobbed onto enemy structures, vehicles, or personnel, disables them by literally disassembling them. Give them a life span or replication limit to balance them.

* Intelligent AI "sidekicks". Perhaps proportionate to your own player's rank, allow them a sidekick android (akin to a magician's familiar) which allows them to perform recon or other tasks.

* Artillery. There's still artillery?! Fuck that, use neutron bombs, H-bombs, hell use some extremely devastating machine to produce a tiny black hole at the center of the area of effect, with a limited lifespan so that the entire earth isn't swallowed up.

Surely technology will have evolved to make such weaponry much easier to develop and deploy. On the flip side, technology will probably have developed to evade same, the fun would be in striking the balance with elements much more outside the box.

Your 10 reasons are more like one of those lame "sci-fi" breakdowns as to why star trek is better than star wars.

Plasma weapons, anti-lock on, power armor, faster speeds, stronger guys... if you want that go play unreal.

Some of your points are dead on though, particularly about the games U.I. battlefield has never had a good UI though, its annoying.

Some of your points are just lame due to the sake of game balance. Why are both titans the same? Because of game balance, its one of the oldest conventions adhered to in the shooter genre! Be a revolutionaire and break that convention? Perhaps, but risk the competative community by doing so, because hardcore gamers will inevitably exploit which particular titan as the most miniscule advantage, and use it accordingly!

Some of your points are not valid until you get the full version. Battlefield upgrades, increased ammo capacity, stamina, anti-air, grenades, sentry guns, emp grenades and IMPROVED HUD and radar tech are all down the skill trees.

If one thing is for sure however... they were stupid not to showcase all that gravy by not unlocking things, people are going to make the wrong asumptions.

I agree with everyone of these points. After playing the demo, I turned to a few friends that reserved a copy and laughed at them for wasting the 5 dollars. Ill be sticking with BF2.

I was very disappointed by the demo, it quite simply is not as much fun as the beta was.

I agree with alot of your points, especially about the static emplacements & the duplicate titans. I have never understood why they are still using the gamespy game browser ingame it is pretty awful.

I think the better gameplay will come out with the actual game when you can start getting the unlocks. The Beta, while full of bugs, had ranking & the resulting unlocks. Since the unlocks were really easy to get, in the first 16 hours of playing the beta I was able to get 8-9 unlocks, they quickly gave players a chance to customize their 'avatar'. Those included things like an infantry AA weapon, grenades detpaks etc... Once those are introduced they entire game changes, & at least during the beta it was far more enjoyable. There are hud enhancement unlocks as well, but they really only help if you are playing in a squad.

The running/stamina thing is due to the availability of unlocks that increase your stamina & another that increases your stamina regen. During the beta it made a world of difference when I chose to get the stamina unlocks.

It does seem like a mod for the game, personally though it looks like a mod I would be willing to pay for, like POE, FH or DC.

I have to admit I am not sold on the unlock thing, I liked the flexibility during the beta, but I cannot say if it would be better or worse if they were all available right from the start.

What about greenaids... Seriously not having them really sux. I meen, as if in the future there will not be some form of them. Also this leads to the fact that you are fucked to take out a vehicle alone unless you are an engineer. Just GAY!

And what about those titans, ever had more than four people inside one? I experienced the worst lag in history inside those titans whenever you get more than 4 or 5 people inside and shooting at stuff. It lagged like there were 8000 people all shooting at each other at the same time, and yet there were only 6.

forget BF 2142.... it's all about ET: Quake Qars

Ok so I went home and played some at lunch. Well you know what the game really needs. JetPacks
Put that in there i will buy it.

just got back from ebgames.. they werent happy about the return.. looks like they have gotten quite a few. hell i dont blame the public. they made the game look and sound alot better in the previews than it actually is. if they only focused on the gameplay aspect more and upgraded the game engine.. instead they were like..

"more ranks and unlocks will make people buy it!"

sorry EA/DICE you aint snaking me on this one.

In 2142 technology will have evolved to a point where we no longer have wars. Instead, competing nations will play shitty computer games against each other, with soldiers modelled after special-olympics competitors.

Guys its not the developers fault. EA is a slave driver. Im sure they had all the great ideas you were talking about and then some. But they probably showed EA the timeline and costs of what they wanted to do and they probably bitchslapped them and told them to do it on the cheap. Blame EA. Never buy any of their games even, until they get the point.

P.S. on the upside the load time was waaaaaaaaay down for the level in the demo

After looking at your top 10 list, i can agree on several things but it is just strange that after reading everything as well as playing the demo, i must agree on almost all terms.

What is really annoying is that instead of innovation, EA DICE just sets up repetition. This is why for everyone who has played BF2 on a regular basis, BF 2142 looks like a knock-off mod. Yes mechs are cool, yes hover tanks are cool - but look at Battlezone2 f.e - there they were really implemented niceley.

In comparison to Tribes, BF2142 is a really bad example of a massive multiplayer Sci-Fi Shooter.

Only cool thing was shooting myself from the APC to the Titan, but getting to the reactor core was like a walk in the parc. Funny how the lower areas are well protected ;)

I have read it, and i have laugh and i have cry. To start i must say i never play the demo. why? because i cant install it, my 1 reason why i dont like the game, i donwload it for 3 houres, i install it and there comes an "error=562" whatever "i cant find all component" message. But i know the screenshots and videos, and its damn right. I have bullets in the IIWW i have Bullets in Battlefield 2, i have bullets in the 22nd century? Ok its a thing of balance, but why are there no plasma rifles? why are they no nanobots (like some one says) there are so many good ideas and intelligent stuff, Deus Ex is there a good example. Ok Bullets like elevated, and the "ratatam peng* sounds better and looks in some situations better, but the crackling of a ready laser gun or something like that, and *ZWOSCH* (ok ok a laser dont make *zwosch* but i need a sound ^^) its also cool. Many gonna say now: "YOU CAN UNLOCK THIS", ya, but to unlock this i must BUY THE GAME and PLAY AND KILL SOME OTHERS, how can i kill some others when some retards and idiots kill my at the spawn, because they want fly in the jet and crash befor they launch. Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 2142 is realy corrupt. I think back to Battlefield 1942, yes that was good teamplay, ok ok battlefield 1942 had some problems, but it had a good new idea, it was new. Now they make only a big high priced mod (and now 2) i rest in Battlefield 1942, yes the good old Battlefield 1942, with his fault and bugs, but with his good ideas. If i want better classes and more weapons then i play the good old Wolfenstein - Enemy Territory, if i want frag others, then i play counterstrike, not only the newest is the best. The only think i can say about Battlefield 2142: "Battlefield 2142 - what is that?"

Desert COmbat ftw
battlefield vietnam ftw

BF2 and 2142 - no thanks

You couldn't be more right. Totally uninspired. I don't know if it's DICE or EA, but I'll wait for Quake Wars thank you. Or someone to fix 2142 as a mod.

NO CAPTURE THE FLAG!!

One of the most requested features since good ole Desert Combat. BF2 never got it, and now BF2142 doesnt have it.

NO Capture The Flag = NO $$ BF2142

Anxiously awaiting ET: Quake Wars

Was really, really hoping EA would do its coustomers right this time. BF2 was a big ball of frustration. Why do companies take a good thing like the Battlefield series and crap on it? Reminds me of GM. Not going to buy due to your review.

A side note, I am a developer. Not in video games, but just wanted to share that developers *DO* share blame. They have just as much responsability to speak out on the impact of quality, if not the MOST. If the company you work for for puts out crap, you say so. If they continue, you find a new job. They made a poor choices, twice. Don't let them off the hook so easily.

Sorry in advance if someone already pointed this out, but if you look at the upgrades (hover your mouse over the icon either in the "HQ" or when choosing a weapon during the game) theres a stamina boost injection and a..kind of like a steroid injection that makes you run faster. The great thing about these two is as long as you are equiped with them you automaticaly use it throught each round.

There is an unlock for the engenier kit, the portable anti air rocket system... Read up on this shit before you start bitching about it

EA games (as it cant be said too many times) just SUCKS, everything negative ive heard so far is true, i just hate the fact that dice suffers from the moneylovin´ ways of EA games.
They did after all bring us BF 1942 which despite its flaws, whas a very fun game (but after that everything went down the toilet) not to mention Codename eagle, which many probably dont even know, but whas to the best of my knowledge the very first game where you could choose from motorcycle, anti air vehicle, tank, several airplanes, & even a blimp. extreme fun game :D

in short, someone should stop the evil empire of EA GAMES.

This game is less than useless...I uninstalled it after 20 mins of play.

Played the demo, didn't like it overall. Usual EA crap.
I'm waiting for UT2007 (Y) !

I have been playing the demo for a few days before reading your review. I had a lot of the same beefs with the game. I mean it's exactly like BF2 (which IMHO was mediocre at best). Exactly, to a fault. The vehicles are just re-skins. This is either A. Laziness on DICE's part or B. EA Corporate Greed. Churn out another expansion pack with a new name and new vehicles. Charge full retail. Keep the coffers full. I was very disappointed in the "new" weapons. Why are we using bullets in 2142? Why are we firing missiles to bring down the Titan shields? Why are the Titans identical? Why don't they fall to the ground when their reactors fail? Lazy. Uninspired. Blah Blah Blah.

Sadly, the game will probably be wildly successful which will only encourage the development of this same type of drivel in the future.

I couldn't agree more, i agree with pretty much all of what you said. and could even add a few things

/start sarcasm
so you want a lot of weapons that are auto targeting, no recoil, auto-fire, no FF, no reload, no bullet drop, that can kill everything, tell you where to shoot a mocing target, and that require no skill to use? Why not make them auto firing too?

Actually while we are about it, why not just make people obsolete from war and use automated machines, then we just log into the server, release our bots and sit and watch the whole thing unfold. That would be fun...
/end sarcasm

But why oh why can't they learn their lessons about the bloody server browser!

First of all, I must admit that some things u said are indeed correct and those will be things that the entire gaming audience will notice..

BUT, a lot of your comments are just .. uhm .. retarded?
I mean, you bitch and moan about lasers and auto-lock on and all that other sh*t that you can find in UT2004 and Quake and all of those games, but this isn't 'one of those games'. And don't get me wrong, I also play UT2004 AND Quake. But Battlefield is known for being somewhat of a tactical Shooter. You can't just run/drive/fly throughout the entire freakin' map blasting/shooting everything that is clearly enemy and expect to survive all and not running out of ammo while doing it.
Now THAT's not realistic. Maybe you want stuff like a Redeemer rocket in your games that even the biggist idiot in the world could use to blast 10 people in one second, or an auto-aiming-enemy-recognizing-utility, but a lot of BF gamers will be pissed off about it because they want to rely on skill, and not just on some Hi-Tech weaponary..
And I really do think that you can't just judge the game by just playing the demo.
This due to the lack of unlocks in it. A lot will probably change when everybody starts unlocking new weapons/items..

My conclusion would be: BF is and always will be somewhat of a 'tactical' shooter and not some brainless 'start-shooting-everybody' game where you don't even have to think about how or who to shoot..
So IMO: Accept it or go play Quake or Unreal Tournament..

Greetingz from Shir-é-Panjshir

I can agree with most of these statements here. I have played the demo for about 4 hours now.
At first i just thought it looked like BF2, and that was a bit of a shit cop out by Dice. Then after playing I realised a number of things, that as yet have not been raised here.

1 The Music is completley different! 1942 had the "classic" music, BF2 had the classic music modified into chinese or middle eastern music. Same tune, but jazzed up a bit. Same with AF, same tune but changed a bit to more americanised tune. obviously BFV had its own unique soundtrack as provided by the Hippies and various vietnam films:) What is it im listening to in 2142?? Its depressing, demotivating and very predictable!

2 The level design omg!! who designed this level for the demo? it looks like a bad mod made by a spotty teenager. It has no strategic importance in the terrain, no dam, no main roads, no buildings worth taking up a sniping position inside. It looks as if everything has just been thrown onto the map in a random order. "Yes we'll put one here, here and ermm oh here, just plonk them down anywhere its up to the players to find a use for them." Vast areas of open space with no cover at all, no rocks, trees, mud, anything to enhance the game or the Battlefield experience.

3 The titans do not deserve the name "Titan". They are not in the least Titanic. Excluding the fact that they are easy to sink via the afforementioned "back door to the main reactor". the guns are weak and inefective at range, they spread all over the place and with a moving target is almost impossible to kill a target. Again the interior design is completly flawed, where are the security checkpoints with defensive areas? Where are the 2142 eqivalents of the mounted MGs? Why is'nt there a door/force field that can be locked at back of titan, to slow down the enemy?

4 The attack chopper thing. Why can it not fly upside down? what happened to the barrel roll maneauver? Barrel roll in 2142 = fall out of sky and die! Has powered flight changed so much in the last 150 years that we can no longer move through the sky like a plane/chopper should? Can i request a Sopwith Camel please? It will be deadly in the air versus these flying garbage cans.

I am almost lost for words as to the dreadfull nature of this game. After the bf2 1.3 debacle I had vowed never to go near EA again. However I have still given the demo a good try and i can now say with some conviction and I pledge to you all with god as my witness: I will never buy BF2142 or any other EA/Dice game ever again. Im also considering putting a clause in my will forbidding my descendants from going near EA/Dice too.

2142 is so bad it now goes on the list above; the decision by star trek producers to use that awfull cheesy music at the beginning of Enterprise, instead of the usuall clasical uplifting music from previous series. Its a travesty at best, and EA/dice should be sterilised in the intrests of Evolution.

#1 – Your soldier looks like he's been spending time with Barry Bonds and the Balco boys, but he performs like your stoner uncle Jeff recovering from a Grateful Dead concert.

There are several unlocks that give your solider better run speed and more stamina.

#3 – Those awesome high-tech weapons, or not?

The unlock weapons are much "cooler" and have less recoil.

#4 – The Mighty Titans

By orginal design you had to bypass 4 forcefields to get to the core, while theres only 1 protecting the hanger. However this was changed in order to promote a more friendly defensive posistion around the consoles.

#5 – Outpost Defenses

The Eng. line unlocks a infantry anti-aircraft weapon by one line...

#9 – The Hud of the 22nd century

Do you want the game to do everything for you?

#10 – Friendly Fire?

It takes very little skill to avoid friendly fire. If you cant play with friendly fire then you do not belong in the battlefield series at all... Having friendly fire on adds alot to the game and the skill needed to work in a good squad.

I posted this on a forum that had a disscusion which linked here. Here is my response and I go with everything I say in it.
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I got in on the beta (NOT the demo), I loved it, it had Walkers (Not in the others), rail gun (new), Titan (no way you can say its old), new weapons, new unlock system, just about everything is new.
Here is one of the complaints posted.

#3 – Those awesome high-tech weapons, or not?

Where are my plasma weapons, phasers, lasers, and energy guns? Oh right, it's only 2142, those weapons wouldn't be invented or ready yet. My ass. There's nothing better than using good old bullets. Bullets that cause massive amounts of recoil and inaccuracy and I might add, a limited supply of ammunition to boot. Also weapons that get too hot just like those World War 2 weapons, you know 50 years back, or from 2142 it would be 200 years ago. Good to see you can only fire a limited number of rounds before your weapon gets too hot and you have to let it cool down, it's an awesome feature that the soldier of the 22nd century has come to rely on to save his life. You would think the weapons of 2142 would have superior anti-recoil technology, light weight, deadly and accurate…right?...nah…

Solution: More high tech weapons with an agenda to devastate. Less recoil, less overheating, more energy weapons.

Now here is logic:

The laws of physics say that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed into another form. Energy is what a laser is, there are basic laser weapons that work NOW, but they cannot set metals on fire or go through them or melt them, only fiber glass, and not to mention, it takes a nuclear plant just to power it for one shot. I don’t want to see my soldier attached to a line attached to a nuclear plant that could easily be destroyed and blow everything to hell, it just isn't logical.
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#4 – The Mighty Titans

Yeah the new titan game mode is cool, and the titans are ok looking, but I had hoped for more aggressive flying battleships of doom in the sky. Instead I get giant star trek medical support ships. Then again, they are just support ships. It's a good thing that the exterior of the ships look completely different or I'd get confused which one is the enemy and which one is friendly. But thank God they have the exact same interior design, because then I would get so confused, wait huh? The titans have the same exact interior layout? Wow that's convenient. Also the engineer must have been a genius, putting the main reactor on level 2 where all you have to do is destroy 4 consoles and the reactor is exposed. Funny, how there are still parts of the ship you can't go because the force fields still up. Yeah, its better we expose our reactor so the enemy can blow up our ship than to keep other random "important" areas of the ship off limits. A dead titan is better than having a titan where force fields don't protect the restrooms. Reactor of ship: Not important, Hanger Bay: Important, shield at all costs.

Solution: Don't be dumb. Reactor should be the most difficult shield to get down, and the last part of the ship that can be accessed sequentially. Besides, I want to find those a-holes that are staring at some consoles controlling the damn turrets on the titans that keep bombarding me, I want payback, nothing like sneaking behind them and filling them full of lead, or tungsten, or whatever the hell material 2142 weapons are using.
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This is just someone who has a grudge against the guy who killed him with the turrets then shot him when he went for the control panels/reactor.
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#5 – Outpost Defenses

Honestly, I already feel depressed, but I will continue to the outpost defenses. All the Battlefield games have these things. The funny part is that in 2142, both sides share them. That's right; there is some universal anti-vehicle and anti-air, which both sides just reuse when they recapture an outpost. So we have the EU and the PAC, those are the sides that are fighting each other, and they have the same outpost defense systems. My question is why the anti-aircraft, just like in battlefield 2, only have 2 missiles and there are no missiles that auto lock on. I mean, those were invented right?

How come infantry can kill me quicker in the stationary defenses than any of the vehicles?

Solution: each side has its own defense systems, and the anti-aircraft have more than 2 missiles. In fact, add an infantry anti-aircraft weapon for added complexity.
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Each team copied each other when the war started, when one side got new equipment, the other team matched them. Also, the guy who typed that, must have played the spec ops class, all the time, there is a rocket launcher that works fine and assault get a miniature rocket launcher also.
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#6 – Vehicles

The only problem I have with the vehicles is they are slow and have no horse power. If I take an apc or tank and try to go up a slight incline the fucking thing struggles like I'm trying to go up a 60 degree slope; trying to reverse is even worse. These vehicles are worse than the vehicles and tanks of 2006! I shouldn't have any problems going up hills and such as long as it's within reason. Come on, it's the 22nd century.

Solution: put better engines in the vehicles, like some new high tech powerful engines (Scuderi design anyone?).
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These things are carry masses of armor and powering multiple weapons, and also the assault pods are powered by the apcs engine, meaning it has to go to multiple sections, be fuckin glad it moves at all.
Tanks also have a hover engine, which means that it takes a WHOLE HELL OF A LOT of power to run those things.
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#7 - The Server Browser

Dude, I hate ALL of the Battlefield games' in-game browsers. Of course I could use the All Seeing Eye or Game spy or whatever, but Battlefield just came out and none of those support it yet. Why do I hate the battlefield 2142 server browser? It now has 2 tabs, quick and advanced. Quick is a piece of shit, advanced is what you want. Who the fuck thought it would be nice to group all 0-100 ping servers as GREEN. 100 pings is BAD, IT'S NOT GOOD. 25 ping! = 80 ping. It's far worse. The whole concept of design is flawed and totally uninformative. Nothing like joining a 100 ping server when the other one below it is 15 pings, but we wouldn't know that would we. Thanks green yellow red, give my numerics back.

Secondly, why are my favorites listed IN THE MAIN SERVER LISTING? So if I just wanted to refresh my 5 favorite servers I have to refresh all 500 of them. That's just fucking AWESOME! And why can't I just have a favorite tab? I have to go BACK to the overview to just see my favorites, and then again, it's the damn green yellow red crap!

So I try joining a server and it says server full. No big deal, just join another server... BAM

SERVER LIST GONE, it’s refreshing, please wait 10 seconds. WHAT THE FUCK!

I had a perfectly good server list, so why the fuck is it being refreshed? DID I WANT IT REFRESHED, NO!

Is there any way I can refresh just 1 server or a few servers so I can see what the pings are?

No!

I can only refresh all of them at the same time, which gives me inaccurate latency timings because of the packet throttling, but oh well at least they're up-to-date.

Oh look, server information! What does that have?

Server ip?

Nope

Ping?

Guess again

Solution: remove the entire thing. Recode. Use brain.
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Now this is stupid, He apparently has the shit computer from hell, I run fine on 200 ping servers and above that is still playable. I also saw the servers Ip when I clicked a server; I also saw the ping and the number of players and all that. It auto refreshes to give you a list of what server are available/full/high ping, and which are not.
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#8 – The Loading Menu

I've always wanted a menu that has to load itself. Not only does this game load the game, it has to load the menu. All of the battlefield series games have this retarded menu system that actually has to load. Um what? A nice delayed time consuming slow interacting menu, how lovely.

Solution: USE BRAIN. Nobody likes a menu that loads a menu. That sir is dumb. Fix. Now. Trust me, it can be done. I've seen it happen! I've coded my own menu in my OWN GAME and it DOESN'T NEED TO LOAD.
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That doesn't even make since, the menu doesn’t load itself, BECAUSE IT CAN'T! What did he code that even gave him the right to say he knows shit about how to do any of this, A full 3d rendered game with high def graphics and full menu sequences and great systems? FUCK NO! He probably coded a crappy game that didn't even stand up to NADC V 0.1.
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#9 – The HUD of the 22nd century

Where is my HUD that auto identifies friends and foes before I am even looking at them? Where is my HUD that will show overlays from other friends and sat scan that shows enemies through walls and such (yes, I know about the squad leader device that does the same thing, but it should be built into all the soldiers HUDs). It should also show aiming reticules and trajectories for aiming assistance that takes in gravity, air, your movement, and the enemy’s movements.

Solution: More high tech HUD, which brings me to my next point.
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He enjoys stating the impossible. The HUD would have to be attached to the gun in some way for it to detect the angles of firing. Any way, the player sees the HUD, not the soldier, the HUD is there to help YOU, the soldier is still out there running around, because having something do this would require it had its own power, and was connected to the person with a multitude of wires, and that it was attached to the guns ammo clip and barrel, and knew what type the gun was.
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#10 – Friendly Fire?

Yes, there is still friendly fire. Apparently 130 years of technological advancement hasn't figured out how to prevent army personal from shooting their people.

Solution: a better HUD would help, but weapons shouldn't allow firing on friendly targets. At least give a sound warning first, then if they try and fire again it fires.

So that ends my rant on how to improve upon the game making it more successful and popular. If you have read this far I'm impressed. Most people probably didn't, but fuck them. Will I buy battlefield 2142? Probably not. Will I keep playing the demo? Probably yes, at least for a few more days until it's over, I hate it, or I get bored of it. Whichever comes first.
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A bullet can't go "Ohh, this guy is on my team I will stop here and drop to the ground." a gun can't say "Hmm, well he looks to be on my team, I am going to go into safety mode." It is utterly impossible.
I am glad he probably won't be buying the game; it means I won't have to listen to him bitch after it comes out.

If you have never bought into the Battlefield series this is a must have. It's a great leap from those of you who still play counter-strike 1.6 and source etc. and never really moved on. For those of you who bought BF2 and have a tight wallet, stick with that game. The rest of us however will enjoy 2142. Myself included, I played BF2 for free as my friend played the expansion. 2142 is definetly worth buying as I havn't put any money into EA's wallets for any other part of the series.

#1 – Your soldier looks like he's been spending time with Barry Bonds and the Balco boys, but he performs like your stoner uncle Jeff recovering from a Grateful Dead concert.

First, I would like to bring to light the similarity between BF2 and 2142 in this respect. The distance that you showed in the picture is while wearing heavy armor. This is the equivalent of sprinting in BF2 as the Anti-Tank kit. They wear heavy armor and tote around massive weapons. That's just the way it goes. Running in light armor is about the equivalent of sprinting as a Medic or Spec Ops. You can't spring for quite as long, this is true, but that is why there are unlocks that increase, not only your maximum stamina, but the rate at which it regenerates as well.

#2 – Is this battlefield 2, or battlefield 2142?

This one made me laugh, and I continued laughing as I read all of the responses stating how thoroughly badass games like Quake 1-4 were. Seriously, what's the difference between Quake 1 and 2? Slightly improved graphics, new maps, and modified weapons. Look at the difference in weapons between Quake 1 and Quake 2. They took out the axe, and added the blaster, rail gun, BFG, and Hyper-Blaster. Every other gun in the sequel is simply a reskin. Shotgun=Shotgun, Double-Barreled Shotgun=Double=Barreled Shotgun, Nail gun=Machinegun, Super-Nail gun=Chaingun, etc etc etc.

You would be hard pressed to find a sequel to a game that didn't simply reuse/reskin the old guns and models.

#3 – Those awesome high-tech weapons, or not?

This point is a bit difficult to make on your part, but to refute as well. Neither of us is able to tell where our technology is going to be in the future. What I can say, however, is that the laws of physics are a bitch. Scientists don't even know how to start going about making things like force fields and whatnot. On top of that, one could argue that in the game world, scientists were probably too busy trying to figure out ways to counteract the new ice age, or maybe make advancements in the field of agriculture so that the world's population was able to stay fed. On top of that, our rate of technological advancement has slowed down considerably within the last fifty or so years. All of the easy inventions have already been invented: toasters, rifling, and the internal combustion engine. Sure, we're making microprocessors smaller and smaller for our personal computers, but that doesn't help us magically create a ball of super=heated plasma within the restrictive confines of a pistol casing and launch it, with any amount of accuracy, at a target 30 meters away without having it dissipate in mid air, or detonate prematurely before it even leaves the gun.

There is one thing that I will agree with you on in regards to this point: over-heating guns. You're 100% right on this one. They would probably have figured something out regarding this by then. Maybe polymers that don't conduct heat as well or some sort of air-ventilated cooling system. I don't know, but you're right on that.

#4 – The Mighty Titans

This subject is all about game balance. That's just what it boils down to. If they made the interiors of the titans even just the tiniest bit difference, they would have players bitching about hallway A in Titan B gives Defenders C an unfair advantage in the form of D. That's just the way it goes.

As far as the reactor room being easily accessible, you have to remember that these titans have incredibly powerful shields surrounding them. When they built these bad boys, they didn't even consider people getting past that shield. Then some smart-ass went and put these anti-titan missile silos all over the place. Even then, it still takes like 30 missiles the size of two train engines to take those shields down. Then, the titan goes into lock down mode. The reactor is sealed off. The titan's own defenders can't get inside of that room. And if they wanted to, they would have to go and simultaneously activate 4 separate control consoles and put in their security codes and whatnot. That's not high security? When you get on a military base all they have you do is show them your ID and wave you on through.

As far as killing the people manning the consoles on the flight deck, that's again a bitch. The concept of the titans is that of an effective base that cannot be raped. If enemy players had access to the flight deck, they would just sit there and spawn camp the defending players while two engineers blew up the reactor core.

#5 – Outpost Defenses

First things first. You're a PAC squad. You just busted your humps to take over a Coalition base. They already have all of the defenses set up. Guns, sand bags, whatever. Are you going to rip them down just because they aren't the ones produced by your side's factories? I think not. What a savage waste of man power, time, and resources.

As far as those ground defenses taking you out faster than vehicles, well sure. That's because those rail-guns were built with the idea of close range armor vaporizing goodness in mind.

AA missile launchers with more than two missiles: balance issue. The game is already built like an intricate match of rock-paper-scissors. But, a certain level of skill (and luck) should still give you the edge you need to prevail even in the face of superior weaponry. If missile launchers had the capability to rapidly launch 10 uber heat seeking missiles of total asskickery +5, planes wouldn't even stand a chance. Likewise, if planes had some sort of TV guided missile that auto-lockified on to tanks and ground defenses and zoomed right into them without any sort of skill on the part of the gunner, it would be lame.

#6 – Vehicles

I'll agree with you on this one. That was a major problem in BF2 as well. I guess it could also be attributed to balance in the sense that they don't want someone rolling their tank to the top of a mountain and just blasting away at units 5 miles away with impunity.

#7 - The Server Browser

I've never had a problem with the server browser for BF2, or the 2142 demo. I use the 'Advanced' tab in 2142, and I’ve been able to look up the server IP by hitting the info button. Don't know what to tell you on this one, but I suppose it's just personal preference. I don't mind it one bit.

#8 – The Loading Menu

*ponder* I'm assuming that you're talking about the fact that when you hit the escape button while in game, it takes three or four seconds to get to the menu. It's the equivalent to alt-tabbing. You're changing everything that is on the damn screen. But in all seriousness, it's a few seconds. Get over it.

#9 – The HUD of the 22nd century

Well, some of this is already in 2142, so I really don't understand where you're coming from. It has nothing to do with a squad leader, although you only get the information if you're in a squad. It works like this: if a member of your squad can see an enemy, it shows up as a red diamond on your HUD. You can see this diamond through walls, barriers, and whatever else you can imagine. Doesn't take any special helmets or the like. The unlockable helmets only serve to provide more detailed information with those little red diamonds.

As far as aiming reticules that tell you exactly where to shoot, when to shoot, and whether to be lying prone, hopping, or doing the Macarena while you shoot, that's just lame. And again, it comes down to balance. It could be argued that the First Person Shooter genre requires the most hand-eye coordination, as well as snap spatial recognition of its gamers. More than any other type of game. There is a certain amount of skill (and luck, as I’ve said before) that goes into taking down an enemy in a first person shooter. You don't just select your character and tell him to attack the enemy and expect it to do everything for you. You do it yourself, and you take factors such as enemy movement, terrain, and the like into account when you start letting of controlled bursts.

#10 – Friendly Fire?

This is easily the lamest point that you made. Do you seriously want to be smack ass in the middle of a firefight defending a hallway to a control console in a titan, screaming away with your LMG, and have some jackass from your team sprint across your field of view and have your gun go "Ah ah ah, that's a no no. Please don't shoot friendly players. It's not nice, and it could get you in trouble. Do you understand what I have just said? Press 1 for yes. Press 2 for no. *Press 1* Thank you for understanding. Please continue firing now." Come on...that's preposterous. You just have to have a certain amount of trust in the players from your team that are around you. Granted, there are always going to be a couple assholes that go and ruin everybody's fun by teamkilling for no reason, but it's the internet, what do you expect?

In summary, if you liked BF2, you're probably going to like BF2142. The gameplay is the same, the squad structure is the same, and the vehicular concepts are the same. The learning curve is a little rougher, but that's what happens when a game gets more intricate. Download the demo, try it out, but remember that a demo is simply a demo. The game is going to change A LOT when the full version comes out and people start making use of unlocks. Defending a titan is going to take on a whole new meaning when you can place automated defense torrents and personal shields on the ground. Storming a base is going to become much more complicated when you can see defending players' current health, kit, and what they had for breakfast that morning via the NetBat helmets. It's going to be fun.

Don't buy, don't play and don't CRY!!!!

Hi all,

Let me start by saying i only got into the BF2 series at the BF2 stage. BF2 1.0/1.01 was good, and then it went downhill from there. WHenever anyone got good at stuff, they removed the feature, and with 1.3 i think it was, the removal of squad switching killed the whole game and lost many of Top End clans due to this decision, the people that actually made BF series what it is today!!! I used to play with NUTZ in BF2 but all of us have stopped playing due to EA/DICE just messing the game and the players about.

ANyway, this is about BF2142, And i gotta say its just BF 2.5 isnt it? or like someone said, A MOD for BF2. Nothing new and i know the general public will go out and buy it and stick up for EA/DICE (same company!!!) but the people who are serious about BF series have just been shit on and shit on. I personally think it will be the last BF game, It's even got a patch out for it 2 days before its released, Which kind of fits in with how BF2 was with patches, just getting worse and worse.

People, Just hold on for Enemy Territory: Quake Wars and dont waste your money on the EA Machine, ID software who are the undisputed champions of FPS games will show you how its done. And you will never play the same level twice either, unlike with the BF series!!! You know it makes sense ;)

everything in this is right, the game does look and sound good but theres nothing futuristic about the weapons they all have the same and in most cases worse performance the weapons from 2006, the weapon damage is something you'd expect on a cheesey arcade game (3 mags for 1 kill) i mean how hard is it to make powerfull weapons i think that its safe to assume that weapons in 100 years time will be somewhat more powerfull than todays weapons. The only thing bf2142 has got going for it is the walker, well thats is if they fixed the mini guns that overheat after you fire 6 bullets!!

but dont worry im certain EA and dice will be realesing an expansion sometime soon (just the other half of the game) and then we can get a whole 2 new items, night vision and re-skined flashbangs for £29.99 anyone??

Well I have been modding and playing tactical shooters since Rainbow Six. BF2 and BF2142 are tactical shooters, but let's just talk about 2142..

For you guys that love Unreal and Quake, I am surprised you even play the BF series! This is not that type of game, it's not meant to be played the same way either. Stop whining about laser guns, there's planty of goodies in there. I unlocked 4 Recon items including a tight SMG/AR, a helmet mod and ACTIVE CAMO, yes it makes you about 90% transparent. Also unlocked frags, no big deal. Nothing like creeping up on somebody "cloaked", then uncloak and pull out the knife, slit! Oh yeah, each time you knife someone you collect their dogtags.. watch your six.

BF 2142 really is like a total conversion mod for BF2, it seems like the same exact engine, maybe spruced up a little. BF2142 is futuristic in the sense that it's Earth with what you'd expect to see change in 136 years. The architecture, vehicles, weaponry and skins are all "evolved", but still familiar. It's not some outer space fantasy game, and the storyline (what little of it there is) is a solid foundation for the game. Just like BF2 is based around a realistic War for oil scenario, (at least as far as who's involved and where the fighting is), BF 2142 is based around a world war for survival, during the first stages of a global ice age. If you didn't know, an Ice Age is the possible product of global warming, in this case, about 100 years of global warming. The game seems to take place over a number of years, starting about 100 years from now..

The maps vary from amazing (Fall of Berlin) to somewhat repetitive, like the map in the demo. The snow maps are a nice change, and the futuristic city warzone maps are stellar. Looking at the massive ice glacier pushed into the buildings up to the 25th story is nuts. I would like to see some stationary machineguns, like on barricades, etc. That seems to be missing. I also wouldn't mind some more ladders, you cant get onto a lot of the buildings without air transport. The effects and lighting are amazing.

Vehicles are basically balance for each side, PAC and EU both have a FAV, APC, Tank, Walker, drop ship and gunship. The APC's can launch you into the sky in a pod, to board a Titan without aircrft. Or just to get the hell out of there. That's a fun ride.
The aircraft are easier to fly than a helo in BF2 by a little, they are more stable. The weapons systems are basically the same, with 2 door gunners and several infantry in the drop ship and 2 in the gunship, pilot and gunner. The dropship guns swing aver 180 degrees and can shoot under the dropship. The gunship gunner has a minigun and TV missle, easier to fly than BF2. Pilot has rockets, same as BF2.
The tanks are tanks, but actually they lose the machinegun for the driver and instead have a more powerful turret gun for the gunner. The driver's machinegun is replaced with about a 10x zoom for the main gun. It comes in handy against....

Walkers. They kick ass and take names against infantry and vehicles, but are weak against aircraft. Each team's walker is actually armed quite differently though. The PAC's mech has 2 large cannons and EMP charges, plus the gunner's dual cannon. Crazy blue muzzle flash off all PAC weapons. The EU mech has 2 massive chainguns and rockets that tend to arc upward, plus the gunner's railgun(?) The PAC mech easily takes out EU mechs if you know how to use it. Pure havok anytime you get in one, it can stomp over most things, but stay facing up or down the uneven surfaces or you'll tip over.

Titan mode is fun, although less realistic to me, but whatever. Good supply of aircraft spawning at the Titan flight deck, and lifting off and just nosediving off the titan is too much fun. There's also six turrets you can man, and rain death on the ground below. Titans can be maneuvered by the commander over enemy points. Once you kill the enemy Titan shield, you board it and try to destroy your way to the reactor. It's not easy with a good amount of players on, and a good support guy can hold down a hallway pretty well. Frags come in handy, so does the active camo if you move slow. Teamwork is key here, loners will not have as good of a time trying to shoot their way through.

EA's had some bug issues with BF2, and had to patch 2142 before it dropped. I would've waited another month and tested it more, but it's not a big deal since you pretty much have to have the EA downloader, and the patch is always here. All games have bugs, some more than others, that's what patches are for. I've had to patch mods that were Beta tested, sh1t happens.

The look and music score are designed to give you kind of a desperate feeling. It's not techno or some rock track, it's a symphonic kind of score designed to